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This is bad news… They cannot take our guns thru any other avenue, so they take the world stage.
Wake up.
There has not been a blatant gun grab this huge ever…
MOLON LABE!
LG~
Thanks to TheCoop30301 for the vid…
In New York this week, the U.N. Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty continued trying to draft a treaty to impose worldwide controls on small arms, including civilian-owned firearms.
The NRA has made clear its opposition to any treaty that includes civilian firearms, and continues to note that a majority of the United States Senate stands with American gun owners in opposition to such a treaty. We have led the effort to mobilize opposition to the treaty in Congress, and not only a bipartisan majority of the U.S. Senate, but also 130 House members, have voiced strong opposition to the treaty. Ignoring that reality, U.N. conferees are working to regulate not only civilian small arms, but also ammunition and firearm parts.
Anti-gun treaty proponents continue to mislead the public, claiming the treaty would have no impact on American gun owners. That’s a bald-faced lie.
For example, the most recent draft treaty includes import/export controls that would require officials in an importing country to collect information on the “end user” of a firearm, keep the information for 20 years, and provide the information to the country from which the gun was exported. In other words, if you bought a Beretta shotgun, you would be an “end user” and the U.S. government would have to keep a record of you and notify the Italian government about your purchase. That is gun registration. If the U.S. refuses to implement this data collection on law-abiding American gun owners, other nations might be required to ban the export of firearms to the U.S.
And even if the U.S. never ratifies–or even signs–the treaty, many other nations will. The cost of complying with the treaty would drive up the price of imported firearms and probably force some companies to take their products off the U.S. market.
That’s not all. This week, the delegates focused on an endless series of drafts that would either ban exportation or require states to consider the risk of exporting, if the arms could be used to commit crime, or could “be diverted to unauthorized end users” or “the illicit market.” Exports could also be blocked if they would “support” or “encourage” terrorist acts or “provoke, prolong or aggravate acts of aggression or other breaches of the peace,” or could be used in “gender-based violence” or to inflict “human suffering.” Anti-gun activists here and abroad have long claimed that gun ownership in general does all of these things, so any of these provisions could be abused by foreign governments to shut off exports to law-abiding Americans.
The NRA has spent nearly 20 years lobbying against U.N. attacks on civilian firearms ownership. As a U.N.-recognized NGO (non-governmental organization) we have attended meetings and conferences and we have spoken out directly at the U.N. about our unfailing opposition to any treaty that infringes on the Second Amendment rights of American citizens.
As the conference completes drafting the treaty, the NRA will continue to gather information on what provisions are included, and will work with our allies in the international community as well as Congress to oppose adoption of any anti-gun treaty or any other international restriction on our constitutional freedoms.
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Outstanding! I’m happy we are starting to come to our sense and control guns! Over 30.000 Americans are going to be killed by guns this year. I am so proud of us for finally beginning to control the slaughter.
Stopping the gun flow to countries like Mexico is a good start but we really need to ban all guns in our own country.
Looks like the future really is going to be better!
Before you get too upset with me for this post, realize that I have actually served my country and volunteered to give my life for it. To my mind that gives me the right to have an opinion as to how it should be run.
That said, America is completely insane. Why are we completely insane? Because we allow 30,000 of our own citizens to be slaughtered by firearms every year.
Oh, I’m sure you’re going to bring out all the standard arguments: only criminals will have guns! How can I defend myself? It’s a God-given right! Yes, and even “It’s in the Constitution!”
Well, the founding fathers never expected things such as human cloning, stem cell research, space-borne lasers, atomic weapons, or gay marriage. That’s why the Constitution is a living document… it was made to be changed from the day it was written.
The carnage never stops here in United States. It just goes on and on. When are we ever going to do something about this?
There have been 60 mass shootings in the United States since the January 8, 2011 massacre in Tucson, Arizona. Below are three from recent weeks.
- Chicago, IL: Four youngsters were among the latest victims caught in Chicago’s gun violence epidemic, including two middle school-aged girls who were wounded in a neighborhood park on the Far South Side.
- Dover, DE: At a weekend soccer tournament in Delaware, three people died and two were wounded. The dead included the tournament organizer, a 16-year-old boy participating in the tournament and one of three suspects alleged to have initiated the deadly violence Sunday afternoon at a park near downtown Wilmington.
- Seattle, WA: 40-year-old Ian Stawicki entered a Seattle cafe on Wednesday and opened fire, killing four people. He then left Cafe Racer, killing another person during a carjacking before taking his own life.
You want more? Okay. Take a look at this list… it just goes on and on.
Tuscaloosa, AL – July 17, 2012
Chicago, IL – July 11, 2012
Dover, DE – July 9, 2012
Chicago, IL – July 6, 2012
Seattle, WA – July 02, 2012
Chicago, IL – July 1, 2012
Omaha, NE – 06/26/2012
Houston, TX – 06/20/2012
Auburn, AL – 06/09/2012
Oklahoma City, OK – 21/05/2012
Chicago, IL – 26-29/05/2012
Seattle, WA – 05/30/2012
Gilbert, AZ – 05/01/2012
Oakland, CA – 04/02/2012
North Miami, FL – 03/30/2012
Waller, TX – 03/20/2012
Pittsburgh, PA – 3/8/2012
Tempe, AZ – 3/3/2012
Chardon,OH – 2/27/2012
Jackson, TN – 2/26/2012
Norcross, GA – 2/21/2012
Philadelphia, PA – 1/10/2012
I know that I’m not going to win some kind of war on guns in America. As I said before… we’re all completely insane. But we have to take action against things like assault weapons. Rifles that were meant for warfare. They’re nothing more than people killers! You can’t possibly use them for anything but killing people!
Here’s another serious problem. The killer in Colorado had a 100 shot magazine. That’s great! Now you can shoot 100 people without reloading. Who in their right mind would think this is a good idea?!
Look. I understand this is going to raise some serious emotion with a lot of our members. But you have to agree with my side because you understand what’s at stake.
Think about this, you already agree that normal citizen should not have hand grandees. Why? Because you understand that there have to be limits to what people can own in the way of weapons for the safety of all the other people!
Should people be allowed to own grenade launchers? Rocket launchers? Tactical nuclear weapons? Of course not! There are limits… we all understand that. our problem is that we have forgotten where that line lies.
Forget all that chest pounding, hair pulling,”It’s my constitutional right “stuff you’re about to give me.
Your right to own weapons ends where my right not be shot while watching a movie with my granddaughters begins.
You can’t yell “fire” in a crowded theater…and you can’t shoot it up with a 100-shot AK-17 either.
Gun laws would prevent shooting sprees?
Please tell me more about how criminals follow laws.
Gun Control is not about guns, it’s about control. Period. If someone, say A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN were to have has a CCW permit and weapon in that theater, the damage to human life would have been much less.
Chest pounding, hair pulling,”It’s my constitutional right “stuff?? Really, are you trolling?
How about historical facts that have led to the slaughter of entire populations?
Here is a quote from Your president,
“I also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that AK-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals,” Obama said. “That they belong on the battlefield of war, not on the streets of our cities.”?
True, these weapons we talk about are made for war, especially the grenade launchers, Rocket launchers, and Tactical Nuclear Weapons… and who in the hell is going to say Yeah I should have a nuke?? You are the one blowing things out of proportion.
In fact, according to the founders, guns – including AK47s in the modern context – belong in the hands of the citizens and their state militias, as plainly and eloquently spelled out in the Second Amendment. Thomas Jefferson and the founders did not craft the Second Amendment to protect the right of hunters and target shooters. It was included – right after the First Amendment guareenting political speech – to ensure the right of citizens to violently oppose a tyrannical federal government if need be.
A tyrannical government is not going to just pop up and say hey, we are here now, and you will obey us. Sorry Sir, but if they were to do it right, you wouldn’t even see the shackles around your wrists until it was beyond too late.
AK47s and other “assault” weapons are the sort of tools that will be used if push comes to shove and the people must violently oppose a tyrannical government.
Sound familiar? yeah because it has happened many times thru-out history… You could go back and look up Hitler, Castro, Qaddafi, Stalin, Idi Amin, Mao Tse-tung, Pol Pot, or Kim Jong-il.
Here are some examples which you will probably ignore. If you would notice many of them made a list of guns and owners making it easy for the governments to hunt them down…
Ottoman Turkey: 1915-1917
Armenians, Mostly Christians. 1-1.5 Million Civilians Killed
Gun Law: Art. 166. Pen. Code, 1866 & 1911 Proclamation, 1915
-Permits Required -Government list of owners -Ban on possession
Soviet Union: 1929-1945
Political opponents, Farming communities. 20 Million Civilians Killed
Gun Laws: Resolutions, 1918 Decree. July 12 1920 Art 159 & 182 Pen. Code, 1926
-Licensing of owners -Ban on possession -Severe penalties
Nazi Germany and Occupied Europe: 1933-1945
Political opponents, Jews, Gypsies, Critics, and Examples. 20 Million Civilians Killed
Gun Laws: Law on firearms and ammun. 1928, Weapon law March 18 1938, Regulations against Jews 1938
-Registration & Licensing -Stricter handgun laws -Ban on possession
China Nationalist: 1927-1949
Political opponents, Army conscripts, and others. 10 Million Civilians Killed
Gun Laws: Art. 205 Crim. Code 1914, Art 186-87 Crim. Code 1935
-Government permit system -Ban on private ownership
China, Red: 1949-1952, 1957-1960, 1966-1976
Political Opponents, Rural Populations, Enemies of the state. 20-35 Million Civilians Killed
Gun Laws: Act of Feb 20, 1951, Act of Oct 22, 1957
-Prison or death to counter-revolutionarys and anyone resisting any government program -Death penalty for supply guns to such “criminals”
Guatemala: 1960-1981
Mayans and other Indians, Political enemies. 100,000 – 200,000 Civilians Killed
Gun Laws: Decree 36 Nov 25 Act of 1932. Decree 386, 1947. Decree 283, 1964
-Register guns and owners -Licensing with high fees -Prohibit carrying guns -Ban on guns & sharp tools -Confiscation Powers
Uganda: 1971-1979
Christians, and political enemies. 300,000 Civilians Killed
Gun Laws: Firearms ordinance 1955, Firearms act of 1970
-Register all guns and owners -Licenses for transactions -Warrant-less searches -Confiscation Powers.
Cambodia – (Khmer Rouge): 1975-1979
Educated Persons, Political enemies. 2 million Civilians Killed
Gun Laws: Art 322-328, Penal Code, Royal Ordinance 55, 1938
-Licenses for guns, owners, ammunition, and transactions -Photo ID with Fingerprints -License inspected quarterly.
Rwanda: 1994
Tutsi People. 800,000 Civilians Killed
Gun Laws: Decree Law 12, 1979
-Register guns, owners, ammunition -Owners must justify need -Concealable guns illegal -Confiscating powers
Obama supporters and other lovers of the state recoil at the prospect of armed resistance to a tyrannical centralized federal government and refuse to accept that this is what the Second Amendment is all about. “The rights of conscience, of bearing arms, of changing the government, are declared to be inherent in the people,” wrote Fisher Ames, a member of the Massachusetts convention that ratified the Constitution in 1788. This concept is antithetical to the modern liberal who believes government to be a force of good.
“The Second Amendment was to protect the ability of the people to violently overthrow the government,” writes Richard Schrade, an attorney from Georgia and member of the Libertarian National Committee. “Let’s remember that this country was formed in a violent revolution. Let’s remember that at Lexington and Concord citizen fired on and killed government soldiers sent by the central government to confiscate their weapons and arms…. When viewed in this light, it is apparent that a limitation on automatic weapons would be an infringement on the purposes of the Second Amendment.”
If Obama supporters, Democrats, “progressives” and others demanding the government take our firearms in a misplaced effort to stop maniacs from killing people were honest, they would work to repeal the Second Amendment instead of chipping away at it piecemeal. “If we are going to have gun control then let’s not dicker around the fringes. Let those who would limit the law-abiding citizen’s access to arms first repeal the Second Amendment. That would be the intellectually honest way to address the issue,” writes Schrade.
Such a debate is only possible today because formerly free men no longer have a grasp of history and have been brainwashed by decades of government mandated public education and propaganda. Early on in America, both the Federalists and the anti-Federalists agreed that arms and liberty are inextricably linked. George Mason and others knew reflexively that the most effective way to enslave a people is to disarm them. Mason, in particular, argued that divine providence had given every individual the right of self-defense – including the right to defend against a tyrannical government. Today, we have forgotten all of this.
Obama can easily get away with making an outrageous speech about hunting and target shooting and almost completely ignore criticism and not be called to task. We are told that he is a constitutional scholar. How could a constitutional scholar be completely ignorant of the Second Amendment’s true purpose and the admonitions of the founders? What constitutional scholar would be ignorant of Jefferson’s famous assertion, (http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/96oct/obrien/blood.htm) made in a letter to William Smith in 1787, that the “tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants”?
Obama is not a constitutional scholar. It is a phony title like just about everything else about the man. He is a teleprompter reader for a shadow global elite determined to debar access to weapons and take away those already in our possession. Not because of maniacs in theaters or classrooms, but in order to render us helpless against the violence of the state.
If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
Then you can call me and about 80 Million other gun owners OUTLAWS.
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If you want them,
Come and take them. (And that goes for ANY of my rights or personal liberties.)
LG~
The U.S. Surgeon General says cigarette smoking accounts for more than 440,000 preventable deaths in the United States each year (.13% of US population). According to the American Cancer Society, smoking is responsible for about 87 percent of lung cancer deaths.
Gunshot numbers:
According to the CDC in 2006, Last up to date numbers, 30,896 totals, of which, 642 accidental, 16,883 were Suicide, 12,791 were Homicide, 220 were Undetermined and 360 by Legal intervention. Remember that in the same year, 43,664 were killed in Motor vehicle accidents, 37,286 died from poisoning, 20,823 died from unintentional falls. In 2005 CDC reported 652,091 people died from heart disease, 559,312 from cancer and 143,579 from stroke.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_America_how_many_deaths_are_caused_by_guns_annually#ixzz228Di5g9A
Older people’s gun deaths are most likely to be suicides. Suicides typically make up 56.5% of all gun deaths in according to the information available circa 2006 at Bureau of Justice Statistics (http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/). In fact, drugs and suicides account for more than 2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA.
.0096% of the US population dies from gunshots
Of this, over half are suicides. Taking away the guns would not significantly reduce the suicide numbers. They would only find another way.
Oh… Here is a Headline you will never see on TV
“Mass shooting at Gun Show”
Stay off the mass media teet. You think the Pie Hole is propaganda?
Try Truth
30,000 every year? you don’t say?
That number pales in comparison to the number of crimes stopped with guns by law abiding citizens, so 2+ million every year. If those law abiding citizens did not have their guns your 30,000 number would jump by millions.
Guns save more lives than they take, but that’s hard to admit for someone who is so deeply attached to the nanny state. I have every right to have a 100 round magazine if I so please. Because some fucking lunatic used one for a crime does not mean the thousands of other people use them for hobby shooting and training with their local militias or just for pure fun on the range. Punishing law abiding citizens by taking away their gun rights does not make the world safer, it does the exact opposite, it opens up that many more people to being defenseless victims when a criminal does attack.
Statistics prove time and time again that gun control leads to MORE crime and when gun laws favor law abiding citizens crime goes DOWN. it is a matter of fact that can be demonstrated over and over again.
a prime example here in the states is Kennesaw, Georgia. In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.
The ordinance states the gun law is needed to “protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants.”
Then-councilman J.O. Stephenson said after the ordinance was passed, everyone “went crazy.”
“People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes,” he said. “Of course, that wasn’t the case.”
In fact, according to Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge.
Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law’s passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city, compared to the modest 10 percent drop statewide.
“It did drop after it was passed,” he said. “After it initially dropped, it has stayed at the same low level for the past 16 years.”
Mayor Leonard Church was not in office when the law was passed, but he said he is a staunch supporter of it.
“You can’t argue with the fact that Kennesaw has the lowest crime rate of any city our size in the country,” said Church, who owns a denture-making company in Kennesaw.
read more on Kennesaw here: http://rense.com/general9/gunlaw.htm
And on the world stage a great example is Switzerland. In 1994, when the U.S. Congress debated whether to ban “assault weapons,” a talk show host asked then-Senator Bill Bradley (New Jersey), a sponsor of the ban, whether guns cause crime. The host noted that, in Switzerland, all males are issued assault rifles for militia service and keep them at home, yet little crime exists there. Sen. Bradley responded that the Swiss “are pretty dull.”
For those who think that target shooting is more fun than golf, however, Switzerland is anything but “dull.” By car or train, you see shooting ranges everywhere, but few golf courses. If there is a Schuetzenfest (shooting festival) in town, you will find rifles slung on hat racks in restaurants, and you will encounter men and women, old and young, walking, biking and taking the tram with rifles over their shoulders, to and from the range. They stroll right past the police station and no one bats an eye. (Try this in the U.S., and a SWAT Team might do you in.)
Tourists–especially those from Japan, where guns are banned to all but the police–think it’s a revolution. But shooting is the national sport, and the backbone of the national defense as well. More per capita firepower exists in Switzerland than in any other place in the world, yet it is one of the safest places to be.
According to the U.N. International Study on Firearm Regulation, England’s 1994 homicide rate was 1.4 (9% involving firearms), and the robbery rate 116, per 100,000 population. In the United States, the homicide rate was 9.0 (70% involving firearms), and the robbery rate 234, per 100,000. England has strict gun control laws, ergo, the homicide rate is lower than in the U.S. However, such comparisons can be dangerous: In 1900, when England had no gun controls, the homicide rate was only 1.0 per 100,000.
Moreover, using data through 1996, the U.S. Department of Justice study “Crime and Justice” concluded that in England the robbery rate was 1.4 times higher, the assault rate was 2.3 times higher, and the burglary rate was 1.7 times higher than in the U.S. This suggests that lawfully armed citizens in the U.S. deter such crimes. Only the murder and rape rates in the U.S. were higher than in England. The small number of violent predators who commit most of these crimes in the U.S. have little trouble arming themselves unlawfully.
The U.N. study omits mention of Switzerland, which is awash in guns and has substantially lower murder and robbery rates than England, where most guns are banned.
Here are the figures: The Swiss Federal Police Office reports that in 1997 there were 87 intentional homicides and 102 attempted homicides in the entire country. Some 91 of these 189 murders and attempts involved firearms. With its population of seven million (including 1.2 million foreigners), Switzerland had a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000. There were 2,498 robberies (and attempted robberies), of which 546 involved firearms, resulting in a robbery rate of 36 per 100,000. Almost half of these crimes were committed by non-resident foreigners, whom locals call “criminal tourists.”
read more about Switzerland here: http://www.theblessingsofliberty.com/articles/article11.html
But none of that means anything to you, I am sure. Chances are high you won’t even consider these facts. They don’t fit in to your twisted world view.
And on your list of gun massacre places and dates, you list Chicago three separate times, a place with strict gun control already in place. You see how well it worked there? It didn’t work at all, it enabled MORE gun crime. You anti-gun zealots don’t care about the facts though, you believe, naively, that restricting law abiding citizens rights to bear arms will in some way stop criminals (who by definition do not follow the law) from breaking that law and getting guns anyway. You are the insane one, not those of us who seek to maintain the right to protect our families from those lunatics who will break the law no matter what it says.
I love how you guys ring out examples from 1917 for proof. ROFLMAO!
So teaching at Constitutional Law at Harvard means he doesn’t know anything?! Really? Way to disrespect America’s oldest college!
Apparently, nothing in America is Ok with you unless it meets your twisted fear-agenda. Talk about deluded! You really should get some help about that.
Hey! You’re not stockpiling guns are you? Are you guys some of those right wing nuts like the Oklahoma bomber?
I guess I’d better contact the FBI about this website.
Apparently you will never see eye to eye with us. Even when we present facts from history, you choose to try and belittle us.
Why would a Constitutional Law scholar crap on the Constitution?
It is not us who has a fear agenda, but rather the banking elite that own you. You are the one who is deluded, and will fall the hardest when the bottom drops out.
Why does it matter to you what we buy? Your threatening nature has been noticed and all further comments you make will be flagged as spam.
We have tried to debate and converse with you nicely and you seem to only be a troll with a mind for socialism and tyranny.
Good luck with that.